Hey, everybody. I'm Kim Holderness and I'm an wilderness and welcome to the Holderness

family podcast. You've had our first fight of the day. It wasn't a fight. That wasn't

a fight. It was a fight. It wasn't a fight. Hang on. No, it was whether or not we should

sit next to each other or across from each other. And he said it was weird sitting next

to me instead of across. We're staring. We're waiting for our guest to log into the Zoom

call. And you guys are it's going to be a lot of fun. But we're and so it was just strange

to like sit right next to you anyway. Strange isn't next to me. I came out wrong. No,

and talk to you, but look straight ahead. Yes, so just look at me. Okay. The camera's not

rolling yet. We don't roll the camera until our guests come. This is great guys. Welcome

to our life and our podcast. No, it's just not there's no drama. Okay. Everything's fine.

Everything's fine. Hey, little preview. We're trying something new. We're going to have

a book club episode and about a month with Nikki Urlick. She's the author of the measure.

If you follow us on Instagram, I've talked about that in stories how I wanted to try to

do sort of a book club podcast. We'll start by discussing this book. It's not necessarily

a new book, but I read it over the summer. And I had a lot to say about it. Penn has

not read it. And he you may not. So we were talking about this. Is it good for us to

have like one person who hasn't read it and one person who has like I would sort of be

the fly on the wall and then occasionally ask stupid questions. I think that's actually

more that is actually representative of a true book club. Oh, like I'm the lady. Traditionally,

any book club. I was I'm such a rule follower. I would actually read the book. But most people

are there for the wine. There are there for the wine. So they're so I think that's actually

you don't have to read it. No, not only that maybe I'll get in character. Maybe I'll be like

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