Hello and welcome to ETIY podcast, Voices on the World of Work. I'm your host, Bianca

Luna Fabrice, and in this episode we will be hearing all about eco-social policies with our general

director, Philippe Posier, and senior researcher Bella Galcozi. This episode stems from a very

recent transfer issue that will be linked in the show notes.

So first of all, thank you so much, Philippe and Belau for being with us today.

I would actually like to start with a bit of an introductory question.

And if you don't mind, Philippe, perhaps you could take this one.

So what is an eco-social welfare state?

Let's start from the baseline.

Yeah, it's a new term that we all know the welfare state.

And the eco-social welfare state is all we address a new risk, is the climate change.

And all we integrate this risk in the welfare state.

And then there is a different version.

One version will say, let's have another sector for the climate change, another risk,

another sector, all for climate change. The second version will say in all the sector,

let's look what we can do for the climate change. For example, in healthcare, what can we

change in the hospital that they emit less CO2, etc. And the third one is say, no, no, the welfare state is part of the

growth model. We have to rethink radically the welfare state. Excellent. Thank you so much, Philipp.

Bella, I have a follow-up question for you. You do use in the editorial heard a few times the words

climate justice, just transition and social justice, do they mean the same?

Do they fall under the same umbrella or don't they?

I think they should fall under the same umbrella, but they don't.

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