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The Indicator from Planet Money

What an Epstein recording reveals about how elites get jobs

The Indicator from Planet Money

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4.79.5K Ratings

🗓️ 25 February 2026

⏱️ 9 minutes

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What do the latest batch of documents tell us about convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and elite networking? Quite a bit. Today on the show, we analyze one exchange between Epstein and a former world leader to find out how the revolving door works for the rich and powerful.

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0:00.0

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0:02.0

We all know the saying it's not what you know, it's who you know.

0:15.4

And so for career advancement and business success, what matters more? Honing our skills or building our network?

0:23.8

Well, it depends.

0:24.8

But the recently released Epstein files have shown in unprecedented detail how elite politicians,

0:31.3

business leaders, and celebrities profit from connections.

0:35.5

Case in point, Jeffrey Epstein giving former Israeli prime minister

0:39.1

Ehud Barak advice on how to make money after leaving political office.

0:43.7

They will know more about what you can do for them than you can guess.

0:49.7

In other words, private companies will know how they want to use ex-politicians for their reputations

0:55.5

or for the doors they can open. This is the indicator from Planet Money. I'm Daryon Woods.

1:01.3

And I'm Adrian Ma. Today on the show, Elite Power Brokering. The Epstein Files have revealed

1:06.3

extraordinary details about how many top business people and politicians operate inside an economy

1:12.2

of favors and implicit debts. We'll learn just how much personal networks are valued compared to

1:18.2

competency, and we'll hear more of that conversation between Epstein and Ehud Barak.

1:25.8

In government, there's a concept called the revolving door. That's when people in the private

1:30.8

sector go to work for the government, maybe as a regulator. Later, if they go back to work for the

1:36.1

industry, they were just regulating. The door revolves around and around. Looking through the

1:41.9

Epstein files, one thing that was striking was just how blended the

1:46.1

networks of elite decision makers were between the public and private sectors. And this

1:51.1

revolving door has some problems, of course. It could mean that regulators go soft on the industry

1:56.6

if they're hoping to later get hired by them. At the same time, it means that people in the government

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