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Hello and welcome to the second of our Summer of Cheerful episodes bringing you five great

interviews while we have a little summer break but we've stockpiled some gold for you.

Yeah and I'm really excited that today we're talking to journalist and author

Catlin Moran. Her smash hit book How to Be a Woman came out all the way back in

2011, but she said she'd long straight away from the question what about men but

she got asked by people when she was doing some of her live shows and so on and she realized she couldn't ignore it any longer.

Yeah, so she's decided to write a book about it which has made a splash, specifically actually

around something she kept hearing from teenage boys,

which is the idea that women have a lot easier than men nowadays,

which obviously is a provocative question,

so Katlin decided to dig into that.

And when we say it's made a splash, it's also had a bit of a backlash. I think it's fair to say,

but we thought it would be quite good for people to be able to find out for themselves,

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