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People's roles as productive contributors, people's ability to support themselves and their families is vital to the formation of families and the rationale for their formation in the first place.

It's vital to their stability and then it's vital for that replicability for being able to raise kids in an environment where they then reach adulthood prepared to carry these things forward.

Hello and welcome to the Ezra Client Show on the Box Media Podcast Network.

My guest is me because I've wanted to talk to him on the show for a long time. It is Orrin Cass, who's the executive director of the NewCook the American Compass.

Cass is an important figure in Republican domestic policymaking. He was director of domestic policy from at Romney's presidential campaign in 2012.

He has been at the Manhattan Institute for a long time. He's one of these folks whose ideas on this are very, very influential on the right.

But starting in 2018, when he published a book called The Once in Future Worker, a vision for the renewal of work in America, and then more recently when he founded American Compass, he has begun leading a kind of insurgency on the right to create what he calls in some context of post-Trump economics.

But in particular, to sort of get rid of the rights focus on free markets and focus on in particular tax policy and tax cuts, and to try to tie economic policy to a vision of the country and a vision of families and what is good for them that he thinks is often missed.

And I think it's a very interesting project. A lot of things that he thinks that I don't agree with, but he's somebody who I think is important in the debate, and I think understanding his perspective is really important for understanding at least for one part of the Republican party is going to try to go next.

As always, you can email me at asorclinetbox.com, but here is Orrin Cass.

Orrin Cass, welcome to the podcast. Thank you for having me.

I'm excited to have this conversation because I've been really interested in what you've been doing for a long time, but particularly these last couple of months and years.

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