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Reflector

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Reflector

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Society & Culture, Documentary

4.6577 Ratings

🗓️ 9 April 2026

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

What if the next great leap in computing wasn't made of silicon — but of living human brain cells? Reporter Greg Warner takes us inside the lab of Hon Weng Chong, an Australian computer engineer who has built a biological computer: a device that houses actual human neurons in a petri dish, teaches them to play Pong using reward and punishment, and is now being sold to medical researchers, crypto gamers, and roboticists with very big dreams. Along the way, Andy and Greg dig into what these cells might actually feel, why the path to artificial general intelligence might run through a robot's skin rather than its brain, and what it would mean to one day stick a chip of pre-programmed neurons back into a human head. It's weird, it's a little smelly, and it might be the future. THIS EPISODE FEATURES: Hon Weng Chong - CEO and founder of Cortical Labs Dr. Minas Liarokapis - CEO/CTO of Acumino Inc., Director of the New Dexterity Research Group LINKS: Cortical Labs Acumino Dishbrain Paper - In vitro neurons learn and exhibit sentience when embodied in a simulated game-world⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ CREDITS: This episode was reported and produced by Greg Warner, Andy Mills, Simon Adler, and Matthew Boll Music for this episode was composed by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Cobey Bienert⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter Lalish⁠ Reflector artwork by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob Boll Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey, this is Andy Mills, and for today...

0:03.0

Just what are digital computers?

0:07.0

The computer.

0:08.0

Are they man-made monsters that perform mathematical miracles in millions of a second?

0:13.0

From where we sit today, it's actually kind of funny to look at how we were thinking and talking about the computer just decades ago.

0:20.0

Are they superhuman machines that can solve any kind of problem?

0:23.9

How mysterious they seemed to the general public.

0:27.2

No, nothing miraculous at all, nor monstrous.

0:31.1

The working parts are transistors, vacuum tubes, magnetic devices, and other electronic components.

0:38.1

But we've got to remember that the computer is still a relatively new normal in the world.

0:44.1

For example, in 1980, only 1% of Americans owned a computer.

0:51.0

Let that think in, 1%.

0:53.4

When the personal computer industry first got started, there was

0:57.6

robust discourse for many years about why an individual would even want a computer, let alone

1:05.4

need one. And of course, now it's almost impossible to think of what would happen to the global economy,

1:13.3

to our personal connections, to the very infrastructure of our modern society without these technological marvels.

1:21.5

But our story today is about how the computer itself may be about to take its most radical and bizarre step forward in its evolution.

1:33.8

And how that might prove to be even more transformational to the future of the human race.

1:42.3

Imagine opening up your computer, breaking it open, like unscrewing the back and looking

1:48.1

about the guts inside.

1:50.0

And instead of seeing, you know, wires and chips and hardware and things like that, you

1:57.3

see living brain tissue, human brain tissue, powering the computer.

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