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Hello and welcome to the Westminster Hour with me, Ben Wright, and my guests.

Coming up, bringing down immigration.

This time, ministers insist it will happen as the government promises to tighten every aspect of the immigration system.

We will look ahead to the new white paper and ask what it

could mean for care homes, the health service, the economy and universities. I've been down to

University College London to talk to students and the university president. On the politics,

will the government's plans be enough to diffuse the threat from reform? Elsewhere, unease is growing on the Labour

backbenchers about proposed welfare cuts. We'll talk about that and the assisted dying bill,

which is heading back to the Commons on Friday. That's all coming up. But first, let's meet my panel.

With me tonight, the Labour peer Francis O'Grady, before entering the Lords,

Francis spent a decade as General Secretary of the Trade's Union Congress, a role she held until

2022, as well as being a stalwart of the trade union movement. She has also been a non-executive

director at the Bank of England since 2019, bridging the worlds of capital and labour. Welcome back, Francis. Kit Moulhouse is the Conservative

MP for North West Hampshire, having represented the seats since 2015. Kit is also a former

education secretary who has also held many ministerial roles in departments, including the Home Office.

And before that, he was a deputy mayor of London. Hello Kit.

Thanks for having me back. Miranda Green returns to the deputy opinion editor at the Financial Times.

Before journalism, Miranda worked for the Liberal Democrats as press secretary to Paddy Ashdown.

And did you ever fancy following him into the political trenches, Miranda,

becoming an MP yourself? I thought you were going to say into the armed forces now,

and I was really quite worried. Yeah, no, I'd have loved to be an MP, but do you know what? I do

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