Wemby and the Spurs Have Flipped the NBA Season on Its Head

The Zach Lowe Show

The Ringer

Basketball, Sports

4.8 • 2K Ratings

🗓️ 26 December 2025

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

Zach is joined by Kirk Goldsberry to examine why the Spurs match up so well with the Thunder and how it affects the rest of the NBA season. Then, they reveal their Christmas Day hot takes: They're fine with not bringing the Christmas jerseys back, Nikola Jokic is the MVP, and they're feeling better about the Cavs, despite the loss. (0:00) Welcome to The Zach Lowe Show! (2:02) Kirk Goldsberry joins the show! (5:41) The Spurs are ahead of schedule and are legit title contenders (16:34) This is the best rivalry in the NBA right now (22:11) Should the Thunder have Chet Holmgren guard Victor Wembanyama more? (25:51) The Spurs are not afraid of Chet (33:38) The Spurs' role players are outplaying the Thunder's role players (36:25) What is the ceiling for the Spurs? (37:53) Zach’s Insights to Mediocrity (41:34) Christmas game hot takes (42:29) JJ Redick is not happy with the Lakers (48:32) The Rockets offense is better than we thought (53:37) Nikola Jokic is once again the MVP of the league (56:48) Can we please get the tanking rules right this time around? (1:01:20) Our confidence level in the Cavs after they fell to the Knicks (1:07:01) Anthony Davis suffers a groin injury Host: Zach Lowe Guest: Kirk Goldsberry Producers: Mike Wargon, Jonathan Frias, and Billy Gil Social: Keith Fujimoto The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	All right, coming up.
0:07.0	We got a loaded Zach Lowe show with the one and only Kurt Goldsbury in his Portland Seedogs hat.
0:11.4	I wasn't planning to do an episode today.
0:12.9	It's a day after Christmas, but too much stuff is happening.
0:16.9	The Christmas games were mostly awesome and raised a lot of questions.
0:20.1	J.J. Reddick, pretty cranky about the Lakers defense. What do we see in that game? What did the Rockets learn? The Cavs Knicks, a barn burner in New York. Do you feel better as a Cavs person after that loss than you did before? Do you feel worse? I feel like the Knicks have your number. How am I supposed to take that loss? The Nuggets, Yokic, what?
0:38.1	What is that stat line beat the Timberwolves in overtime without three of their starters?
0:42.6	Is Yokic the MVP again?
0:44.0	I think so.
0:44.7	We're going to talk about it.
0:45.9	But the biggest story in the NBA, I don't know enough about the other American sports.
0:50.2	I don't know how to say in all of American sports is the San Antonio Spurs.
0:54.6	Not only that to 23 and 7 and a true blue title contender already somehow, but that in two weeks,
1:02.5	they have changed the entire landscape of the NBA from the Thunder versus the field,
1:07.6	the thunder versus 73 wins to we're three in O against this team. We are
1:12.4	beating their ass twice in the last 10 days. We have their number. The whole NBA has flipped
1:18.8	on its head because of what Wembe and these guards are doing to the Oklahoma City Thunder.
1:23.5	We're going to talk about it all coming up on the Zach Lowe show with Kirk Goldsbury.
1:28.9	This episode of The Zach Lowe Show is presented by Amazon Prime.
1:33.5	The holidays are here and they move quick.
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1:40.5	Primes fast shipping is always there for you during the holidays, especially when it's last minute and it just can't wait.
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