you know, the hyperbaric chamber stuff, I go into one. And I was like, what did you think? I was like,

are you fucking kidding me? Unless you have the bends or a wound, I wouldn't recommend it. You know,

oh, I get tired. I was like, you don't need more oxygen. Just breathe. Hi, everyone from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. This is on with Kara Swisher, and I'm

Kara Swisher. My guest today is Dr. Eric Topal, a cardiologist researcher and the founder and director

of the Scripps Research

Translational Institute, one of the largest nonprofit biomedical institutions in the country.

He's also the author of several books, including his most recent called Super Agers,

an evidence-based approach to longevity, which explores the actual science behind anti-aging

and longevity. Spoiler,

it's not found in pricey supplements. Dr. Topal is a physician scientist and an expert

leader who oversees millions in research funding. He's uniquely positioned to distinguish the

real breakthroughs from the hype and offer guidance on a topic rife with pseudoscience and fraud.

It's also a timely conversation ahead of my new CNN series.

Kara Swisher wants to live forever, premiering this Saturday, April 11th.

It's going to go on for six weeks.

It is full of science and evidence and proof and reporting, and I urge you to watch it.

But mostly I want you to listen to Dr. Topal, because he is articulating exactly what I was trying to do, which is in this world

of wellness grifters, in people that are offering instant solutions to very significant

health problems. There needs to be people who break through all this noise and show you the

signal, which is there are amazing breakthroughs.

So let's get into my conversation.

Our expert question today comes from Amy LaRaca, journalist and author of How to Be Well,

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