Hello and welcome to episode 119 of Rookishay's Law Talk podcast.

We are coming to you, as always, from the faculty lounge of the Rikishay University School of Law and Institute of CryptoZoology.

I'm your host, Troy Seneca, former White House speechwriter and three-time runner-up for Red Lobster's

employee of the month.

And I am joined, as always, by the Butch and Sundance of the conservative legal movement.

They are Richard Epstein, the Lawrence A. Tish Professor of Law at NYU, senior lecturer at the University of Chicago, and a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, and John U.

the Emmanuel S. Heller Professor of Law at the University of California, Berkeley, visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, and former Deputy Assistant Attorney general in the Bush administration.

So, fellas, as we start out, let me start here, actually, who between the two of you,

has had the more exotic agendas since last we talked?

Because Richard, I know you were in Mexico, but John, I'm aware that you had the rare privilege of getting to spend time with one Troy Seneca.

I assume you're still recovering from the glory of that experience.

I'm just shocked that you dress that way in public.

You look like Kenny Rogers and the gambler.

You show up from a hoity-to-ty discussion of high principle in New York City at the Harvard Club to argue about affirmative action and the Constitution.

And you show up in cowboy boots and something that looked like an embroidered Persian rug on your stomach, a.

K.A. a vest.

What the hell is going on?

So none of this is accurate.

I was not wearing cowboy boots when we met.

I was wearing boots slightly, like, to the ankle, but not cowboy boots.

Also, the vest, I don't know where you're drawing the Kenny Rogers analogy from.

The gambler. This is an age thing. You don't remember Kenny Rogers the gambler.

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