From the Heritage Foundation, I'm Michelle Cordero, and this is Heritage Explains.

This week we dive into part two of our mini-series on welfare, 25 years after reform.

And, well, there's no denying it.

The welfare reform of 1996 was a massive success.

Welfare caseloads, which hadn't dropped significantly for 50 years, fell by 60%.

The child poverty rate, which 50 years fell by 60%.

The child poverty rate, which hadn't moved for 25 years, suddenly dropped by a third.

Overall, the poverty rate for single-parent families has dropped by two-thirds, and this success

goes beyond work in poverty.

Before reform, pregnancy and birth rates for unmarried teens quadrupled.

But with welfare reform, this trend reversed.

But in a tale as old as time, liberals want to turn back the clock and make welfare one-way

handouts that promote social marginalization and impede upward mobility.

The Biden administration has massively expanded welfare benefits under the guise of child tax credits.

If made permanent, it would be the second largest increase in the welfare system.

So why do liberals think this would be a good idea?

Today, our guest, Jason Turner, helps us understand the opposing viewpoint.

He also walks us through what happens to an individual and a society when they stop working.

Turner formerly served as New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani's Commissioner of Human Resources Administration.

And before New York, he led the state of Wisconsin to develop an epic, fully work-based alternative to welfare. Our conversation after this short break.

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