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Coffee House Shots

Welfare rebellion: why Starmer – and Reeves – should be worried

Coffee House Shots

The Spectator

News, Politics, Government, Daily News

4.42.1K Ratings

🗓️ 25 June 2025

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

Keir Starmer is facing war on both fronts. He is in the Netherlands to talk about defence and announce a major change in the UK's nuclear posture in response to rising challenges in the Middle East. But everyone in Westminster wants to talk about a different kind of warfare: the warfare over welfare. MPs will vote on the government’s controversial welfare bill, after more than 120 MPs signed a reasoned amendment that would effectively stop the bill in its tracks.


What has been most concerning for the government is how organised the rebellion appears, with many picking up on the mutinous mood since Kim Leadbeater’s assisted dying bill. The government is increasingly looking like it will lose the vote. Are Labour going to pull the bill? And if so, surely they need to do it sooner rather than later.


Lucy Dunn speaks to James Heale and John McTernan, former political adviser to Tony Blair.


Produced by Oscar Edmondson.

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0:00.0

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involves risk. Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots. I'm Lucy Dunn and today I'm joined

0:47.4

by James Heel and John McTurton, former advisor to Tony Blair. Next week is shaping up to be a rather

0:53.6

eventful one for labour. Not only is the government

0:56.0

marking its first year since Keir Starrmer won the general election, but MPs are also facing a vote

1:00.9

on the government's controversial welfare bill. The situation isn't looking all that healthy for government,

1:06.1

as over 120 Labour MPs have signed a reasoned amendment which effectively would stop the bill

1:10.2

in its tracks.

1:11.8

James, Starmer has just held a press conference at NATO where he's talked about this bill next week.

1:16.7

Can you talk us through what the situation is currently?

1:20.2

Well, nothing has changed. Nothing has changed.

1:23.2

That was very much the subtext of the Prime Minister's comments today.

1:26.8

Obviously, he's there in the Netherlands at the Hague to talk about NATO, have this one two and a half hour long session with Donald Trump and defence. And of course, announced, for instance, that we've had the biggest change in our nuclear posture since the end of the Cold War with the new purchase of American jets. But of course, no one wants to talk about that. It wants to talk about a very different type of warfare, which is the warfare that's breaking out over welfare. And after we had PMQs today, and Gerena confirming that that vote will go ahead on Tuesday, the subsequent lobby briefing, which number 10 said the exact same thing. We then had Kirstama's comments. And he refrained from using the same one that his lobby spokesman did, that this was a moral case, but he talked about being a progressive case for welfare, that it was a Labour argument that needs to be made.

2:06.6

And he was asked about why he'd misread the moon in his party. And Stama, as he is sometimes wanting to do, bristled slightly at this and suggested that, you know, there was sort of noises off going on.

2:16.3

Now, I wouldn't call 120 odd

2:18.1

Labour MPs, including a number of respected senior chairman of the party, people that make

2:22.7

Hillier, for instance, Debbie Abrams, necessarily being noises off, as it were. And as it stand,

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