About a year ago I was hiking in Zion National Park.

I was climbing this really steep trail, hundreds of feet up.

And then a little voice inside my head said,

Jump.

Of course I didn't, I'm terrified of heights. But the moment stuck with me.

And when I got home I started googling around and I learned that that little voice is a

psychological phenomenon known as the call of the void.

First off, what you're experiencing is super, super common.

It's where we're confronted with something that scares us,

but there's also an impulse to just do it anyways.

Jump.

That's what I think our podcast outside in is all about.

We lean over the edge and jump into the stuff that makes us feel uncomfortable or curious or overjoyed by the weirdness of the natural world.

Like, what's it like to decompose?

All of the germs and bacteria is saying, okay baby, we've got to get rid of this person.

Or what's better?

What's better?

Eating vegan or eating local?

I mean the buffalo is definitely more expensive.

It's like 1561.

From a climate perspective, it's not better and it might be worse.

Or why the hell do we have lawns?

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