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Hi, this is William Ramsey.

Welcome to William Ramsey investigates on today's show of a very special guest.

Returning guest, her name is Julia.

She operates the Cosmic Peach podcast.

Check it out. I was just on there. We were talking

about Dave McGowan's book, Program to Kill, as well as some other topics. And so when I was

talking to her, this was about two, three weeks ago, I said, hey, you should come on my show,

because I had heard she had done a lot of episodes on another of McGowan's books, weird scenes inside the canyon, Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops, and the Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream.

And so she said yes, so we scheduled this for today. And I was listening to her on Sam Tripley show, tinfoilatch, he was talking to him about the book.

So I was just trying to reacquaint myself,

look through the book again.

But there's a lot more when we were talking about program

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