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All right, second hour, play and buy. podcasts. situation, the realities of the American justice system. Keep in mind that not only do we have a debate coming up in a few weeks with

Joe Biden, Hunter's dad, and Donald Trump, which will be, I think, a very highly watched debate.

I think that's going to be the case.

But beyond that, you also will have near, maybe right afterwards,

you'll have a Supreme Court decision on the presidential immunity issue that ties into the Trump J6 case and it will be the first time the Supreme Court has really looked at what is the extent of presidential

immunity what is the extent of what a president can do without facing any

legal repercussions and so there's going to be I think a lot of this is now on the prediction side of things

Clay and I see this one the same way they're gonna come down with a not a total but

some immunity they'll effectively the court will articulate here's where

presidential immunity stops and starts now take that lower courts and figure out

what's going on here with this Trump

J6 situation. I think the Democrats are going to be very unhappy with even

though it's not a total it could be but I think it's unlikely to be a total win for the Trump side but if

it's not a total loss for Trump then they're going to view this as oh my gosh the

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