This is the John Fuglesang podcast.

The only thing I love more than Bob Dylan is Joan Baez telling Bob Dylan off.

I just, those two things coexist for me.

Highly recommend Chris Stanton's piece in Vulture at Christmas,

a short history of

Joan Baez calling Bob Dylan on his bullshit.

It's really good.

She's the only one.

I...

Yes?

You remember John, I told you the other day I just rewatched Don't Look Back?

Who, man, that's painful to watch, isn't it?

He's so mean to her.

But like, well, that's painful to watch, isn't it? He's so mean to her. But like, well, what I, but the thing that really stuck out to me this time was how like effortlessly cool she was. Totally. Like how laid back and like, uh, how a gog, like, there's that one scene where the reporter doesn't realize he's talking to her. Right. And then he's like, oh, my God.

And, yeah, you could tell that she just, as a woman who had an aura around her, that everyone wanted to be a part of.

You could just see the world falling in love with her.

I agree.

I agree.

And, you know, she still worked with him.

I mean, she went on the Rolling Thunder review.

She's in that Scorsese movie. She played with him through the 80s. That was it for her, though. She

wrote in her memoir about Bob, like, hitting on her in the 80s, and she just told him, Bob,

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