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great show Tom Brady gets wrecked by the New Orleans Saints. Shaw shale and topples the Seattle

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No where the headline is obvious. Saints 38 bucks three. This was not Tom Brady. This was

Tom Brady total landscape thing. What what did you see? You've covered Tom Brady day

and day out for a few years. You know how he responds to these sort of things, but this

is when I say these sort of things, I mean things that weren't didn't approach this level.

This is one of the worst games in this career. Most turn over since 2011. Worst games since

2006. This was awful. He's playing on a team that we thought were super bowl contenders

and I don't know. I think after a game like that you question everything. I don't think

you can jump off the ledge too much because this box team beat the packers a couple weeks

ago looked like a very complete team and then the Saints lost to the packers a month

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