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I was one of those people that like before I had even like moved the furniture into the house,

I had already drawn out, you know, my new garden, and then we moved to this house. And that was in

2008 and it was it was shade, it was rocky and it was a hillside in the back and then there were

the deer out front. And so I re-learned how to garden. Welcome back to the beat podcast. I'm your host today, Jacques. And today we have Pam Panic, a Texas gardener. I think I could call you that now. You've been gardening there for quite some time. And you also wrote a really cool new book called Gardens of Texas. And we will talk about this because I really, really love the book, especially I'll say the photography is amazing. But first, why don't you introduce yourself? Tell us about how you garden, where you garden, and a little of your background there. Sure, yeah. I'm happy to be talking with you. Love the hat. Which I was wearing a hat right now. That looks awesome. You look like you're ready for the garden.

I am ready. Immediately after this, I'm like, straight into the garden. You're going right out there, yeah. I'm gardening in Austin, Texas, which is kind of right in the middle of the state, for those who don't really know where Austin sits.

It's a big state. It's a big state. It sure is. And I've been here, as you mentioned,

I didn't grow up here. I grew up in the southeast, but came to Texas to go to college.

And then after a brief stint back on the East Coast, I ended up here about 30 years ago.

So it feels like home. I feel like a Texas gardener now after all these years,

but I sure wasn't when I arrived. And that was a learning curve for sure, not just because

I was totally new to gardening at that time and that, you know, just hadn't done much of it.

Oh, yeah, sure. But it was just a different climate than what I had grown up in. And the kind of plants that were available to me, I mean, I did the whole thing of trying to grow what I had grown back on the East Coast, and it didn't work. So that was my first introduction to gardening here, and it really kind of informed the direction that I would go as a gardener. as a gardener. I didn't know at the time that I would really get into it so much as I have, but that just happened along the way. Yeah, because where you're coming from to Texas, I guess is the biggest change that you had there. Well, I guess soil is a big difference in Texas, I'm sure, or maybe lack of soil, depending on where you are. And then the extreme heat and the way that the rain comes to you in Texas is also probably a little bit different. So I think you guys are mostly monsoonal. I don't know if that's true across the state. Okay.

Actually, that's only true in the western half of the state. So really far west Texas for sure, which is in the Chihuahuan Desert. But we are in sub-tropical

part of Texas here. So we're really affected by the Gulf of Mexico and all the moisture that comes up

from the Gulf. So we're not like a dry desert climate here at all.

A lot of people kind of think of Texas that way.

Yeah, I don't know where that comes from.

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