Anytime anybody tells you that there is some group that is an evil and they're really the ones who are in control so when you think you're voting you're a sucker because really it's the swamp or it's the deep state or it's the Cabal whatever it is anytime anybody is telling you that what they're telling you is

don't bother voting don't bother trying to control your fate. Anytime you're getting that, that is a person who wants you to give up your right to vote. Modern day efforts to undermine democracy from a coup, spread disinformation, and overturn elections.

Folks, that's not new.

We've been in this room before, and we've been in this room in a very serious way.

They have a prequel. These storylines all have a prequel

dating back to before and during World War II when an alter-right

authoritarian movement tried to steer our nation toward an alliance with the Nazis.

My guest today and I'm very excited about this is Rachel Madhau, New York Times best-selling

author and host of the Emmy Award winning the Rachel

Madal show on MS NBC, my colleague.

She's going to join us for an incredible conversation about an incredibly important and very good book.

As I tell her, it scared me a little bit.

Prequel, an American fight against fascism. We're going to talk about that with

Rachel Madhow coming up right after this. Hey everybody welcome to the Michael Steele podcast.

Okay so like the kid is beside himself right now because I've got on on the show with us today someone I've admired for a long time that the honor and privilege of working with at MS NBC and certainly getting

interviewed by her is a big deal, but you know it's a bigger deal interviewing her.

Rachel Maddow, welcome to the podcast.

Oh, Michael Steele, it's so nice to you to have me.

This is, I've been looking forward to this for a very long time thank you so much for doing this now

same here I look that this is this is exciting for a whole number of reasons because I don't know if you

planned this but you're I don't know if you plan this, but your book lines up so perfectly with all the crap that's going on in the world that it is, I mean the title of it prequel kind of gets us into a lot of stuff but I have to say I just let folks know I told

Rachel before we came on that I was reading's book and it scared the but Jesus out of me.

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