Okay, we're live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on today's show. I have a very special guest. His name is Ronald Grunner. Last name is spelled G-R-U-N-E-R. And he's just published a book in January 11th, 2022. Really a fascinating book, a timely book. Title of it is We the Presidents, How American Presidents Shaped the Last Century.

And Mr. Gruner founded and served as a chief executive of three successful technology firms

during his long career. Unlike many technology firms, each company delivered a healthy

financial return to its investors, aligned with public in 1986 while Shareholder.com,

and Sky Analytics were profitably acquired by major public corporations in 2006 and 2015, respectively.

Mr. Gruner's experience as an accomplished executive has resulted in a different breed of

presidential history. Taking from his business experience,

this book, We the Presidents,

focuses on results rather than politics,

on economics rather than ideology,

and on the interconnections linking presidential administrations

rather than isolated presidencies.

And his website is his full name,

www. Richardgruner.com.

And you can reach him there.

But this book was really an interesting read, and I found it to be very timely watching a lot of the financial problems that the U.S. is in right now.

But he can talk more about that.

So Richard Gruner, thanks for agreeing to the interview.

And William, just a small correction, that's Ronald Grunner. Ronald, sorry. That's okay. I'm sorry. I've been called worse.

Ronald, sorry about that. I apologize. For people who may not have heard of you, this is your first book. Can you

kind of talk about your background and what led you to come from a very successful

technology career to writing lead of presidents?

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