Hello, everyone, everyone, and welcome to episode 570 of the NTG Old Fish podcast.

I'm Seth, probably better notice at Fred Olive.

And we have a special guest this week, so Richard couldn't be here today. But we are super lucky to be joined by Magic Pro, Magic Hall of Famer, amazing deck builder and a writer as well. Patrick Chappen, good to have you on the podcast, Patrick. How are you doing today? Fantastic. Great to be here. Thanks for having me. I'm super excited. And of course, we got

Krim. Good morning, Krim. How's it going today? Good morning. I'm excited to talk to Patrick

Chapin. You know, I've been following you for years, man. I mean, loved Grixus and I love growing up

reading about your Grixus adventures. It was my favorite stuff, dude.

Oh, yeah.

Jay Ben, you have some of my all-time favorite magic moments.

I know that you probably hear that all the time, but you have, there's some great, some

of the greatest plays I think in the games, until your history, involve games that you

were playing in, thinking back to like you and the Sief battling and like some of those

moments are just like all-time classic when did you start playing i'm getting ahead of myself because we're going to start

with loren eclipse but have you been there since like the beginning like the the early 90s

pretty early uh in 94 okay yeah yeah yeah uh my mom got me a pack of arabian nights but in 93

but then uh asked about the rulebook,

and they're like, oh, we're actually sold out of the set that has the rulebook.

So she returned the Arabian nights.

Oh, no.

And then you started with homelands or fallen empires, I'm sure.

Well, a little bit later, like ended up getting into it around legends in the dark

you know okay okay that's that's good better than homelands at least so for today's cast uh we're gonna start

off talking some more than eclipse we got the full spoiler out there's a pro tour in a couple of weeks

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