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🗓️ 27 March 2025
⏱️ 24 minutes
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The journalist who was inadvertently included in a group chat among Trump’s senior cabinet leaders and national security officials tells Sarah Smith how it happened. He also responds to the White House’s furious reaction to his decision to publish the entire exchange of messages, with Donald Trump calling the reporting a “witch hunt” and declaring the Atlantic a “failed magazine”. He also calls for the Trump administration to acknowledge the security breach and “just go fix it”.
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0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts. |
0:04.8 | Hi there, America Asters. It's about 10 to 9 in the evening here in Washington, D.C. |
0:09.3 | That means it's really late, like 10 to 1 in the morning in the UK. |
0:13.0 | But we're back now because we have got a new take on the biggest story that's happening in America at the moment. |
0:19.4 | This huge scoop about national security |
0:22.0 | officials sharing sensitive military plans on a group chat, on a messaging app. We've done a whole |
0:27.9 | episode about all of the ins and outs of this that we recorded a little earlier today, and that's |
0:32.4 | on BBC Sounds. But we're back now because I've just done an interview with the man who is at the center of all of this. |
0:38.9 | Jeffrey Goldberg from the Atlantic, the journalist who was mistakenly added to this group chat |
0:43.3 | and saw all of these messages coming in in real time. |
0:46.9 | Since he published his story, he's been called a loser and a sleaze bag by Donald Trump. |
0:52.1 | He's been attacked by most people in the Trump administration. |
0:55.4 | Now he's going to tell us his side of the story about how this all unfolded. Welcome to AmeriCast. |
1:04.0 | AmeriCast from BBC News. You're gambling with the lives of millions of people. You're gambling with World War III. |
1:12.1 | President Trump's message is very simple. We are done being taken advantage of. |
1:16.0 | Mr. President, in the name of our God, have mercy upon the people. We're scared now. |
1:21.5 | Are you supportive of these onesies? I'm supportive of vaccines. |
1:25.1 | What is happening? Like, this is not America. |
1:28.0 | This is a terrible nightmare. |
1:29.4 | This is what victory feels like. |
1:32.9 | Yeah. |
1:42.8 | Hi, it's Sarah here. I'm in the BBC's Washington Bureau. |
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