We Said, He Said, She Said

Cannonball with Wesley Morris

The New York Times

News Commentary, Society & Culture, News, Arts

4.8 • 9.2K Ratings

🗓️ 15 June 2017

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

In a live-stream to promote her new album, “Witness,” Katy Perry put on an elaborate performance, giving a series of confessional interviews about her cultural missteps. We analyze all the reasons this was an experiment gone terribly wrong. We then turn to a much more sinister attempt by a celebrity to reshape his image by performing for the public: Bill Cosby pretending he is Cliff Huxtable at his trial for the sexual assault of Andrea Constand. The cross-examining of Constand strangely reminded us of Jim Comey’s testimony before Congress, leading us to a discussion of the different ways these two victims — one male and powerful, one female and powerless — were received in the culture.

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0:00.0	I'm Jenna Wortham.
0:01.1	I'm Wesley Morris.
0:02.5	We're two culture writers at the New York Times.
0:04.9	I mostly write about how humans relate to technology.
0:07.7	And I write about how movies and popular culture relate to humans.
0:12.0	This is still processing.
0:25.2	So we're back.
0:26.1	Hi.
0:26.8	In action in our pop culture confession booth.
0:29.4	How is the moon?
0:30.9	Brilliant and resplendent and just full of so much beautiful energy.
0:35.3	I told somebody I love to make a wish.
0:37.0	I hope that person is.
0:37.6	It's not how it works, but that's okay.
0:39.4	That's nice.
0:40.0	It's nice you did that.
0:41.2	So speaking of wishes, what else is top of mind for you?
0:44.7	I saw the best movie over the weekend.
0:46.5	Ooh.
0:47.2	Yes.
0:47.8	I saw a movie called It Comes At Night.
0:49.6	It is a horror movie that is not functioning the way normal horror movies do.
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