I'm Nora McNeerney and this is Terrible Thanks for asking.

It is very rare that I actually get to interview guests in person.

Usually it's online, obviously because there's COVID, but even before COVID, it would just

be way too expensive, way too time consuming for me to be flying all over the United States

talking to people.

This is public radio.

So that's what makes the conversation that I had with today's guest such a treat because

Jose is basically my neighbor.

And so he got to come over on a beautiful sunny day.

I know they're all beautiful and sunny here in Phoenix this past summer.

And yes, we had to turn up the air conditioner because it's too noisy.

And yes, my dogs interrupted us about a thousand times.

But we also got to crack some sparkling waters and talk like old friends.

But when I first met Jose, he was not yet a friend and he was not yet a guest.

He was just a guy at the airport.

I was flying to Austin for a random, like, leave the city trip because my girls were in

spending summer vacation with their aunt.

And I was in line, generated a board and I saw you fumbling around with your backpack

trying to board.

In my head, I was like contemplating on if I should go up to your night and I just said,

fuck it.

I did not understand what my ticket said.

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