We're Still Here with Simon and Julie
The John Fugelsang Podcast
Crossover Media Group
4.8 • 1.5K Ratings
🗓️ 13 December 2025
⏱️ 41 minutes
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Summary
This time - Simon Moya Smith and Julie Francella talk about Thomas King - an award-winning Canadian-American author whose career was tied to his apparent indigenous ancestry. He has recently learned that he has no Cherokee roots. The announcement follows a November meeting with King and members of the Tribal Alliance Against Frauds, a US-based group dedicated to exposing people who falsely claim American Indian heritage. And they discuss Elaine Miles, an Indigenous actor best known for her roles in “Northern Exposure,” “Smoke Signals,” “Wyvern” and “The Last of Us”. While she was walking, 4 men wearing masks and vests with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement labels stepped out of two black SUVs with no front plates and pressed her for her ID. She handed them her tribal ID from the Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla Indian Reservation in Oregon. The agents called it "FAKE". Federal government agencies recognize tribal ID as a valid form of identification, and Miles has used it to travel back and forth to Canada and Mexico without any issues - until now. Plenty of great callers and topics in this inspiring episode!
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| 0:00.0 | I am so pleased to welcome Simon Moya Smith and Julie Franchella back to this show. |
| 0:10.4 | Let me tell you, I know I wasn't here last week. |
| 0:12.3 | I got your letters. |
| 0:13.2 | It's bad enough you have to listen to me all the time, and then I'm not here on a Simon and Julie night. |
| 0:17.2 | I know you resent me twice over. |
| 0:19.1 | Simon Moya Smith is an Oglala Lakota and Chicano |
| 0:21.5 | journalist. He's a contributing writer at NBC News and the nation. He's the author of the forthcoming |
| 0:25.6 | book, Your Spirit Animal is a jackass, and he is an adjunct professor of indigenous studies |
| 0:29.3 | at the University of Colorado, Denver. He's also been in the middle of a move, so he is |
| 0:35.2 | outstandingly menshe and gracious to join us. Simon. Welcome back. Thanks for having |
| 0:40.2 | me, man. Thank you. Julie Franchella is a mental health professional with over 30 years of |
| 0:44.5 | experience in handling complex trauma with indigenous youth and families. Julie's an enrolled member |
| 0:48.5 | of the Ojibway of Batchewana First Nation Reserve. She teaches indigenous studies at Durham College, |
| 0:52.9 | focusing on the impacts and colonization on |
| 0:54.7 | First Nations people. And she is a stunning artist. Her work adorns the walls of all kinds of |
| 0:59.7 | people, including certain East Street band members that frequent this show. Julie, it's so good to see you. |
| 1:04.1 | Welcome back. Thank you so much for having us. We're always happy to be here. Thank you. Wow. |
| 1:10.4 | I don't even know where to begin. |
| 1:11.9 | You know, the stories we have this week to cover. |
| 1:15.5 | I'd like to begin with this indigenous actor, Elaine Miles, who was detained by masked officers, |
| 1:22.8 | ICE officers, who said that her tribal ID looked fake. |
| 1:27.2 | I have so many questions about this, |
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