right now i am so pleased to welcome simon moya smith and julie franzella back to the show

simon is an oglala lecota jacano journalist he's a contributing writer at mbc bc news and the nation

and the author of the forthcoming book your spirit animal is a jackass he's an adjunct professor

of did digital studies at the university of colorado denver julie franzella is a jackass. He's an adjunct professor of Indigenous Studies at the University of Colorado, Denver.

Julie Franchella is a mental health professional with over 30 years of experience handling complex trauma with indigenous youth and families.

Julie's an enrolled member of the Ojibway of Batchewanah First Nation Reserve.

She teaches Indigenous Studies at Durham College, focusing on the impacts of colonization on First Nations people.

Simon and Julie, I have been looking forward to this all week and not just because of the

birthright citizenship issue, but it's so good to see you both. Welcome back.

Good to be here.

It's great to have you. So people have been calling me all week and saying, oh, I hope you

talk about the birthright

citizenship with Simon and Julie.

Everyone's been wanting to hear your take about this.

And to be honest, I didn't think that Neil Gorsuch would be the historian American needed

at the right time.

But this White House is trying to take the 14th Amendment away because they want fewer non-white people voting.

And they're trying to cite Elk v. Wilkins to argue these limits on birthright citizenship.

Simon, can you explain what that case actually decided and why it's so creepy to see it revive now?

I mean, it's really basic. So we're technically half American.

If you're born in the U.S. and you're indigenous,

well, we're separate sovereign nations.

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