I am so happy to welcome Simon and Julie back. You have no idea. Here's the deal. Simon

Moyes Smith is the smartest player in the game. He is a terrific journalist and a ferocious

intellect, a contributing writer at NBC News and

The Nation.com. He's an Oglala, Lakota, and Chicano journalist, and he's the author of the forthcoming book. Your spirit animal is a jackass and adjunct professor of indigenous studies at the University of Colorado in Denver. Simon, it is so good to see you. Good to see you, man. Thanks for having us. Thanks for being here. Julie Franchella is a mental health professional with over 30 years of experience in handling complex trauma with

indigenous Good to see you, man. Thanks for having us. Thanks for being here. Julie Franchella is a mental health professional with over 30 years of experience in handling complex trauma with indigenous youth and families.

She's an amazing indigenous artist and painter and an enrolled member of the Ojibway of Batchewana First Nation Reserve.

Julie teaches indigenous studies at Durham College, focusing on the impacts of colonization on First Nations people.

Julie, it's great to have you with us. Thank you so much. Always happy to be here. Before I even start, I just, I got to ask you guys. We have our topics and I want to, we have a million callers who want to weigh in and ask you guys stuff tonight. But, boy, Coachella, you know, there's a lot of the people don't really know, and it's fun to watch the coverage,

and I'm sure it's a lot of fun to go to Cochella.

I wanted to ask you guys what your take on the festival is,

because from my briefly having conversations with the two of you about it,

I don't see your point of view represented in the mainstream TV coverage.

It's great to talk about Sabrina Carpenter and Madonna doing a duet or the strokes getting political,

but it goes much, much deeper than that.

Julie, let me start with you.

What should folks who read about Coachella know about that, not just the festival, but the land itself?

Well, I've actually had a lot of people asking me about this, you know, messaging me saying,

you know, hey, you know, what, as a native person, what do you think about, you know,

Coachella? And, I mean, I don't speak for all native people, but Coachella may look like a celebration of music

and freedom, but one thing up top, the money behind it comes from A.E.G, which is owned by

billionaire Philip Anshutz, and he is actually Fonz Republican in Trump-aligned politics.

So when people buy into the festival, they're also buying into a corporate structure, if you will,

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