This is the reason interview with Nick Gillespie, where I go deep with the artists, entrepreneurs, and oddballs who are making the 21st century more libertarian, or at least more interesting, by challenging old worn-out ideas and orthodoxies.

My guest today is Pablo's Holman. He's a legendary hacker in cypherpunk who holds over 100 patents and has worked with people like Bill Gates to cure malaria and Jeff Bezos to get blue origins off the ground.

Pablois also runs a venture fund called Deep Future, which is committed to creating technology that matters.

In his new book, also called Deep Future, he exhorts the reader to boycott dystopia and describes

companies that are saving bee colonies by using mushroom spores to inoculate bees against pests,

recovering ancient Roman secrets to make concrete that lasts for thousands of years, and launching

solar panels into space to deliver a constant, uninterruptible supply of clean energy.

We talk about why he believes we need to be moving faster with AI,

why hardware ultimately matters more than software, and why decentralization will eventually triumph

over the Facebook's, apples, and Googles of the Internet.

Here is the reason interview with Pablo Solman.

We're talking with Pablo's Holman, a hacker, a cypherpunk, and we'll talk about what that

means, a futurist, a venture capitalist, a better on the future.

He's the author most recently of the book, Deep Future Creating Technology That Matters.

Pablo, thanks for talking to reason.

Thanks.

The book is subtitled creating technology that matters.

What is technology that doesn't matter?

I think we kind of live in this world where we think it's full of technology,

but it's mostly just full of software.

And so I think we're setting our sites a little low the last couple decades

because, you know, if you just have like, you know, I don't know, iPhone apps

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