You are about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about what goes into making one.

I'm Sadata Sese, an assistant commissioner of podcasts for BBC Sounds.

I pull a lot of levers to support a diverse range of podcasts on all sorts of subjects,

relationships, identity, comedy, even one that mixes poetry, music and inner city life.

So one day I'll be helping host develop their ideas, the next fact-checking, a feature,

and the next looking at how a podcast connects with its audience, and maybe that's you.

So if you like this podcast, check out some others on BBC Sounds.

BBC Sounds, music, radio podcasts.

Five Lives Rugby Union Weekly.

Rugby Union Weekly, Alien Stadium, Twickenham, 20 to 7 on Sunday evening and the scoreboard shimmering in the dark Twickenham air.

England 59, Japan 14. Paul Grayson is with us. It's a win for England.

And before we get into the nuts and bolts, and we hear from Jamie George and Steve Borthwick and Eddie Jones on this

mini pod loads more pods to come through the week we're also going to hear from Ellie Kildun

the women's player of the year and Peter Steff de Toy the men's player of the year Sarah is out in

Monaco so while a bite-sized pod a very meaty one as well can you be both bite-sized and meaty

course you can.

It's cannape isn't it?

Yeah true it's like one of those tiny little bite size meaty things.

You get in a wedding that's like a Yorkshire pudding with a big bit of beef in it and there's always one person who stands by the kitchen and takes them all off the tray and you're on the way out and you're starving and you've got your tactics wrong. 5914, before we get into the nuts and bolts of it, Grace,

given it's the weather's, the rain is still coming down,

blustery, wet, Sunday night, transport issues, one-sided game.

But the crowd was in, good voice.

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