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You know, This is our American stories, and our next story comes to us courtesy of Rick Mixter, a shipwreck researcher and diver who's explored over 130 shipwrecks, one of which is

the subject of this story on the most famous shipwreck on the Great Lakes. Here's our own

Monty Montgomery with a story. When we think of the word lake, we often think of a calm, placid, and small body of water.

But the Great Lakes are anything but that.

People underestimate them.

You know, literally, they think they're ponds.

They think that they're, you know, they're much smaller than the ocean.

And the truth is that the Great Lakes span over 1,000 miles, you know, they're much smaller than the ocean. And the truth is that the Great Lakes span over a thousand miles, you know, Lake Superior

is immense.

And unfortunately, it has these jagged shoals that, unlike the ocean, it's confined.

So these shoals bounce waves back and forth, and these confused waves on the Great Lakes tend to really mess with

ships and make it very difficult to navigate in a storm.

And the results of these confused seas have often been deadly.

There's a huge argument on how many shipwrecks are on the Great Lakes because it's really

hard to judge. Most of the time we would put it to

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