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‘We’re Going to Take Over the World’

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 10 September 2021

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

On the internet, there are bizarre subcultures filled with conspiracy theorists — those who believe the coronavirus is a hoax or that the 2020 election was stolen, or even that Hillary Clinton is a shape-shifting lizard. It’s a way of thinking that can be traced back to the first real internet blockbuster, a 9/11 conspiracy documentary called “Loose Change.” Today, we explore the film’s impact.

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0:00.0

From New York Times, I'm Michael Pobaro. This is a daily.

0:12.7

Two decades later, there are many legacies of September 11th. Thousands of lives lost.

0:21.0

Two forever wars, the birth of a surveillance state, but also a new era of conspiratorial thinking.

0:32.5

Today, my colleague, Kevin Rus, on the film that ushered in that era.

0:41.7

It's Friday, September 10th.

0:56.1

For years now, I've been spending a lot of time inside these bizarre internet subcultures.

1:02.1

These places filled with extremists and conspiracy theorists who have all kinds of ideas about how

1:08.1

COVID-19 is a hoax or how the 2020 election was stolen or why Hillary Clinton is a shape-shifting

1:14.8

lizard person. And the more time I've spent in these places, the more I've realized that what

1:20.1

unites these groups is their way of finding and processing information. This belief that the way

1:26.3

to figure out what's true isn't to listen to the experts or to the mainstream media,

1:31.6

but to go figure it out for yourself on the internet, to do your own research, as they say.

1:37.1

And I've been thinking about where that attitude, which is so pervasive now, actually originated.

1:43.5

And I think a lot of it can be traced back to this one particular 9-11 documentary,

1:49.5

the first real internet blockbuster. But before I tell you about this movie,

1:55.0

let's actually go back to the morning of September 11th, 2001.

2:01.8

Where were you? What did you see? What did you think at the time?

2:07.1

I want to tell you about one of its biggest fans.

2:09.4

I was actually out in O'Neill, New York, where I had gone to college. I'd recently dropped out,

2:13.3

but I was living with a couple of my fraternity brothers who were still in college.

2:16.4

A guy named Jason Burmese.

2:19.3

And I was working at a piece of place late night. I didn't get to home till like four in the morning

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