We’re Being Watched. Now What? with Meredith Broussard

Getting Curious with Jonathan Van Ness

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Science, Self-improvement, Comedy, Education, Society & Culture

4.9 • 21.5K Ratings

🗓️ 19 May 2021

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

It’s no secret that we rely on technology in our daily lives. So it shouldn’t be a secret how that technology works, who is developing it, and just how biased it can be. This week on Getting Curious, returning guest Meredith Broussard joins Jonathan to discuss how data rights are civil rights—and how we can all get involved in efforts to defend them. Data journalist Meredith Broussard is an associate professor at the Arthur L. Carter Journalism Institute of New York University, research director at the NYU Alliance for Public Interest Technology, and the author of “Artificial Unintelligence: How Computers Misunderstand the World.” Meredith is featured in the documentary Coded Bias, directed by Shalini Kantayya, now available to stream on Netflix. You can follow Meredith on Twitter and Instagram @merbroussard, and keep up with her work at meredithbroussard.com. For more information on Coded Bias, head over to CodedBias.com and follow @codedbias on Instagram and Twitter. Make sure to visit the film’s Take Action page, where you can find more information on resources and groups like the Algorithmic Justice League. Find out what today’s guest and former guests are up to by following us on Instagram and Twitter @CuriousWithJVN. Transcripts for each episode are available at JonathanVanNess.com. Check out Getting Curious merch at PodSwag.com. Listen to more music from Quiñ by heading over to TheQuinCat.com. Jonathan is on Instagram and Twitter @JVN and @Jonathan.Vanness on Facebook.

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0:00.0	Welcome to Gain and Curious!
0:03.6	I'm Jonathan Vaness and every week I sit down for a 40 minute conversation, let's be honest,
0:07.7	it's really usually always longer than 40 minutes I'm sorry, it used to be 40 and now I can't stop
0:13.6	asking questions, I don't know what happened, but anyway. Each week we sit down with a brilliant
0:17.2	expert where I get to ask them all about something that makes me curious. On today's episode,
0:21.8	I'm joined by Professor Meredith Brussard where I asked her, we're being watched, now what?
0:30.4	Our guest this week on Getting Curious is our second time together, we are obsessed,
0:34.7	we learned so much we can't stand it, you are definitely someone who when I met you I smashed
0:39.5	the follow button I have been following ever since, you also just made a gorgeous,
0:43.7	if I do say so myself to you on Netflix, you are Meredith Brussard, a data journalist,
0:48.5	you are also an assistant professor at the Arthur L Carter Journalism Institute of New York University,
0:55.2	you also have been newly featured on the documentary Code of Bias, which is major, it explores
1:01.2	just how biased algorithms can be and the dangers of relying on them too much. Meredith, how are you
1:06.8	welcome back? I am really excited to be here, thank you for the invitation. I do want to kind of
1:12.5	just quickly go through to get people up to speed just in case they didn't listen to our first
1:17.2	episode. So your book, Artificial Intelligence, you taught me from, I think you talk about in that book,
1:25.2	it's the techno-showvinism, honey. I talk about this techno-showvinism a lot, every time I look at my
1:33.3	blinds I think I didn't choose techno-showvinism because I just got the good old fashioned and that
1:38.1	was because of you, I was like I'm not getting these automatic showvinistic blinds. I'm not
1:43.6	doing it. Those things would break. They would break and I'm not doing it. So just for people that
1:48.8	may have not listened to our first episode or maybe they haven't read Artificial Intelligence,
1:54.6	what is an algorithm, what is artificial intelligence? So there are a lot of misconceptions out there
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