I think one of the things that's so important, especially for Christians, the question of

like, why do I want to run from suffering? Well, because you're not made to suffer.

And yet we live in a tragic in-between time where we have to. We have to experience what

is not natural to the way that we're wired and the way that we're made.

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So, yesterday in our program, we had a well-known pastor and author say he woke up in the

middle of the night with a panic attack. And he find that interesting that he was that

honest. I love that. I know. Because a lot of times people in positions of influence aren't

always super open with their lives. And he let us in. And I feel like really honored.

Like better listeners do too. Yeah, I was blown away by it because that is very rare.

It shouldn't be, but it is. And it's very honest and vulnerable. And he's still sitting here.

Scott Saul is back with us in the studio. Welcome back Scott. Yeah, I mean, we don't normally start a show

talking about the guy who sit across the table with us. No, it's like you guys talking about me.

Why don't we hear you guys? But I mean, nearly this is your sixth book. We're talking about beautiful

people. Don't just happen. You modeled it in some way. I mean, your pastor, Christchurch

criterion in Nashville. As I said, written books, very influential. I love what you write. I love

how you think. You're just one of those guys I follow and want to be influenced by. But you

don't often hear people in your position or not that are that honest. And you know, as we're

talking, your subtitles is how God redeems regret hurt and fear in the making of better humans.

I think, you know, we know the journey to get to become the better human God wants us to be

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