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This is Deep State Radio, coming to you direct from our super secret studio in the third sub basement of the Ministry of Snark in Washington, D.C.

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Hello and welcome to the podcast. It's that time of the week for we're all going to die radio.

It's what you look forward to. It's almost the weekend for most of you and may be the weekend for some of you.

And what do you want to be thinking about this stuff, really dark stuff.

And that's why I'm here, your host David Rothkopf and your co-host is also here.

John Wolfstall, nuclear expert and the man who coined the name, we're all going to die radio.

How are you doing, John?

I'm good, David. It is factually true. We are all going to die. It's just a matter of win.

Yeah, no, it's true. And you make it sound so appealing.

We are joined today also by two great guests. Heather Williams is the director of the project on nuclear issues at CSIS and adjunct research staff member at the Institute for Defense Analysis.

Hi, Heather.

Hi, thanks so much for having me.

Well, thanks. Thanks for joining us. Hope you feel good about it after we're all done.

It gets pretty rough around here. And we're also joined by Alex Wellerstein, who is an historian of science who specializes in the history of nuclear weapons and government secrecy.

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