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The Rachel Maddow Show

'We need to watch out': Maddow sounds alarm on ICE surveillance as Trump wields new weapon

The Rachel Maddow Show

Rachel Maddow, MS NOW

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4.534K Ratings

🗓️ 28 October 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Rachel Maddow explains that while much of Donald Trump's abuse of power is typical of authoritarians, Trump has a new tool that no authoritarian before him has had: extremely advanced spyware. Trump is already deploying this new weapon through ICE, which intends to use this surveillance technology against immigrants but also against Americans who protest against ICE, and anyone they might snare with an extremely loose definition of "anti-fascist."

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0:00.0

All right. Thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. I'm really happy to have you here. I got one quick thing to mention before we start tonight. I said last week at this time that I'm going to be doing a live event this week in Cambridge, Massachusetts, with former U.S. ambassador to Russia, Michael McFall. That event is Thursday. It is all sold out. I'm really looking forward to that event. but if you wanted to go and it's sold out before you get tickets, I'm sorry about that. There is another thing I'm going to be doing, though, another live event. And this one, I do not think there is any chance it's going to sell out because it's a gigantic venue. It's going to be me and Tim Snyder, who is, of course, the author of On Tyranny.

0:39.7

We're going to be doing an event on democracy and tyranny in Chicago.

0:45.1

It's Friday, November 21st at the Harris Theater in Chicago.

0:49.1

Tickets are just going on sale tonight.

0:51.2

So you can use your camera on your phone to scan that blob thing on the,

0:56.5

that's on your screen right now. Or you can just go to mattoblog.com. Again, November 21st,

1:02.5

which is a Friday in Chicago, me and Tim Snyder. I do not think that one will sell out.

1:07.8

So that's it. I promise I won't mention it again, at least tonight.

1:12.1

All right, here we go. Over the last few months, you may remember that one of the things we've covered repeatedly on this show is a set of protests that have specifically targeted a little known airline called Avello, A-V-E-L-O. A-V-E-L-O. A-V-O-A-V-O-A-L-L-A-V-O-A-L-L-E-L-L-E-L-E-L-E-L-E, A-E-E-L-O.

1:28.9

A-V-E-L-O-A-V-O Airlines is a small commercial airline.

1:33.2

It mostly serves smaller airports in the United States.

1:37.0

And when Trump came back to the White House this year, a velo airline stuck up its hand

1:43.2

and announced that they would be contracting with the Trump

1:47.0

administration to fly deportation flights. And, you know, it's one thing to see your government

1:55.3

doing that, including, you know, we quickly realized that would mean them flying people off with no legal process at all

2:02.1

to, say, a huge torture prison in the middle of El Salvador, where the people who were flown

2:08.8

there from the United States were told they would never be allowed out ever again, even though

2:14.1

they hadn't even seen a judge to be consigned there.

2:17.9

It's one thing to see your government doing something that radical, right?

2:21.0

A lot of Americans had strong feelings about that right from the get-go.

2:24.9

It's another thing to be a company involved in this, right?

2:28.5

It's another thing for an American consumer to be offered the opportunity to purchase a commercial flight, right?

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