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Hey guys, it's Kayla Candace. Isn't able to join us today, but we are all still so directionally

challenged. We thought we'd have it all figured out by the time we are in our 30s, but surprise,

we don't, and that's okay. Today, we are talking about money. That's right. I know it feels so

uncomfortable already, right? But did you know that 80% of us are in debt? And that statistic is

only getting higher. So buckle up. This is an important episode. Most of us need and all of us can

benefit from. So today, I'm having that uncomfortable money conversation with an extremely

qualified money expert. I'm sitting down with Shawna Game. She is a non-practicing certified

financial planner who worked for 12 years, helping people solve their money issues. She's also a

certified trauma money specialist and spent 10 years as a lecturer in finance at California State

University Northridge, teaching a personal finance course that she created from scratch and

educated thousands of students. Since launching in 2015, Shawna has grown her podcast. Everyone's

talking about money to over 22 million downloads, and it was named a top four money show by the New

York Times. You have seen and read her work on NBC News, Goop, Refinery29 Women's Health, Real

Simple, and so much more. Without further ado, here is my conversation with Shawna Game.

And I am here with Shawna Game Shawna. Thank you for joining me. You know, it feels like

money holds so much power. In fact, Dwight Derset, it's one of the most powerful things in our world

today. You know, I mean, it controls politicians who in turn make our laws and starts affecting us

so significantly. So how do we begin to face our trauma with money? Because we all have it, whether

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