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We Need Bad Women

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The New York Times

News Commentary, Society & Culture, News, Arts

4.89.2K Ratings

🗓️ 14 June 2018

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

After watching the blockbuster hit "Ocean’s 8" and BBC America’s cat-and-mouse drama "Killing Eve," we noticed some similarities in these leading women - they’re all “bad.” They’re indulgent and driven. They care about their work more than your feelings. They perform for each other more than they do for men (do they even perform for men?). They’re complicated and that’s why we like them. So we wonder: is our current cultural climate — specifically around this #MeToo moment — making space for more dynamic women characters? Discussed this week: Philadelphia Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins uses signs to advocate for criminal justice reform Actor Ari'el Stachel delivers moving speech at the 72nd annual Tony Awards "The Man Behind the Music of 'Broad City'" (Stacey Anderson, The New York Times, March 22, 2016) "This is America” (Childish Gambino, 2018) "All Mine" (Kanye West, 2018) "Why 'You are loved' & 'please reach out' are crappy things to post after someone has died by suicide" (Deanna Zandt, Medium, June 8, 2018) The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline - 800-273-8255 "Dykes to Watch Out For" (Alison Bechdel, 1983-2008) "Ocean's 8" (dir: Gary Ross, Warner Bros., 2018) "Killing Eve" (Sid Gentle Films, 2018)

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0:00.0

I'm Jenna Wortham.

0:01.3

I'm Wesley Morris.

0:02.6

We're two culture writers at The New York Times.

0:04.8

["The New York Times"]

0:07.2

This is still processing.

0:10.2

["The New York Times"]

0:14.2

Hello.

0:15.1

Hi.

0:16.4

This week we're going to talk about Ocean's 8 and Killing Eve

0:18.9

and how good it feels to watch women be bad.

0:21.8

OK.

0:22.6

Before we get into our bad girl club moment,

0:25.0

talk to you about this bad move that you're in.

0:27.0

Yeah, OK.

0:28.2

I am kind of bummed out about the last two weeks

0:30.0

of American society.

0:31.5

I'm going to get it off my chest.

0:32.8

Go for it.

0:33.7

Kim Kardashian goes to the White House,

0:35.5

as we all know, to talk to President Trump

0:37.9

about getting this pardon for Alice Marie Johnson,

0:40.6

who was convicted for life for drug possession

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