You made it weird with, with Pete Holmes.

What's happening, weirdos? What? Is that a weird one?

No.

What? I liked it. It felt a weird one? No.

What?

I liked it.

It felt a little frosted glass.

What's happening, weirdos?

Like you have an ear infection and you can't quite hear your own pitch.

What's happening, weirdos?

Yeah, that's crisper. I know, but I like to do it different.

I like to mix it up.

No, now I feel insecure. What's happening, weirdos. It's good. What's happening, weirdos. It's like how Paul Simon every once in a while is flat on purpose. And I know I make that example. I use that example a lot. I know. And I'm not, have you heard him say that? No. Yeah, I think you're making that up.

It's not that he's flat.

It's out of you and me. Yeah, it's not that he's flat. There's something kind of jazz trumpet about him. He'll be kind of like, oh. Yeah. Like a little. Yeah, I don't think he's not just being like pristine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's being very human.

Well, glad you're here.

I love this episode.

This episode's a little like, towards the Yeah. He's being very human. Well, glad you're here. I love this episode.

This episode's a little like, towards the end, it's like inside, inside baseball. I don't want to say that. Yeah, I think you can. I just mean like inside our. Well, if you want a table of contents, the first 30 is like a lot of riffing and I'm loving it. Yeah. the last 15, I would say.

We're talking a little bit more about one of the things

we love to talk about, which is the pursuit of a creative endeavor and how the strengths

of a creative person aren't always aligned with the strengths of someone who can like write

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