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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

We live in The Good Place. And we’re screwing it up.

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, Society & Culture, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.511.1K Ratings

🗓️ 28 October 2019

⏱️ 84 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to the first episode of our climate cluster. This isn’t a series about whether “the science is real” on climate change. This is a series about what the science says — and what it means for our lives, our politics, and our future. I suspect I’m like a lot of people in that I accept that climate change is bad. What I struggle with is how bad. Is it an existential threat that eclipses all else? One of many serious problems politics must somehow address? I wanted to kick off the series with someone who knows the science cold. Kate Marvel is a research scientist at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies and a professor at Columbia University’s Department of Applied Physics and Mathematics. But Marvel isn’t just a leading climate scientist. She’s also unique in her focus on the stories we tell each other, and ourselves, about climate change, and how they end up structuring our decisions. We discuss: - How a climate model actually works - Why this is the good place - Why there is so much variation in climate scientists’ predictions about global temperature increases - Why global warming is only one piece of the much larger problem of climate change - Why a hotter planet is more conducive to natural disasters - The frightening differences between a world that experiences a 2°C temperature increase as opposed to a 5°C temperature increase - Whether the threat of climate change requires solutions that break the boundaries of conventional politics - The underlying stories that animate much of the climate debate - Whether the planet can sustain continued economic growth - What it means to “live morally” amid climate change And much more... Book recommendations: Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler Parable of the Talents by Octavia Butler Annihilation by Jeff Vendermeer My book is available for pre-order! You can find it at www.EzraKlein.com. Want to contact the show? Reach out at ezrakleinshow@vox.com You can subscribe to Ezra's new podcast Impeachment, explained on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Overcast, Pocket Casts, or your favorite podcast app. Credits: Producer and Editor - Jeff Geld Researcher - Roge Karma Engineer - Ernie Erdat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:08.0

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0:12.0

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0:17.0

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0:22.0

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0:28.0

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0:34.0

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0:37.0

The thing that really, really frightens me about climate change and that I think is much more of an imminent threat than everybody going extinct

0:48.0

is what it's going to do to our societies and what it's going to do to the way that we treat each other.

0:58.0

Hello, welcome to Mr. Clanchon, the Vox Media Podcast Network, and to the first episode of our climate cluster.

1:12.0

This is something that I've mentioned I've been working on for some time and I am thrilled to begin rolling it out.

1:19.0

I want to be upfront about where this series is coming from.

1:24.0

Like a lot of people, I accept the science as real on climate change and I also accept that that is like a dumb place for that debate to start.

1:32.0

We need to do better than accepting the science as real and the longer we're caught in this argument, just over yes or no, do you believe or do you disbelieve, the harder it's going to be to ever, ever move forward.

1:44.0

But in part, because I accept the science as real and also because the problem feels overwhelming and complicated, I sometimes operate in the climate change conversation with an outsourcing is maybe the best way to put it.

1:57.0

I believe climate change is bad.

2:00.0

I don't always know how to rate the question of is it bad in the way that people don't have health insurance and poverty is bad or is it bad in the way that the human race will not survive and the earth will become uninhabitable.

2:13.0

And we are dealing with an existential threat, bad and those are different. I think they're profoundly different for how you imagine treating them in politics politics operates in different ways when you're dealing with an existential threat like an invading army.

2:25.0

Then it does when you're dealing with just the day to day horrors of being human and living in society, maybe it shouldn't, but it does.

2:33.0

And so one thing that I've wanted to do for my own work is to actually take the time to try to build a better ground up understanding of climate change.

2:41.0

So I'm not just saying like yes, it's bad. And then I sort of have this dark hole in my understanding of what I mean when I say that and how to rate what other people are talking about when they say that.

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