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Hey, joining me now in studio.

No stranger to America now. Jack Carr, number one time, number one New York Times bestselling author, former Navy SEAL and creative of The Terminalist. His new book is the fourth option. It is a novel, but based on everything that he knows. And by the way, just one of the best podcasts, most respected podcast in the country. Jack, welcome. Hey, thanks so much for

having me on. This is awesome. Great to see you. Great to see you. Yeah. Great to hear about your new book coming out in a few months here. Yeah, United in the States. I'm going to talk about that, but I also want to talk about your book. But first off, those 10 years that you served at Navy Sealed. When you went in, was it to be special forces?

Yeah, yeah.

It was 20 years, 20 to wake up, I like to say.

That was had sufficient at that. years you served at a Navy SEAL. When you went in, was it to be special forces?

Yeah, yeah. It's 20 years, 20 to wake up, I like to say. That was had sufficient at that point. But yes, I was a little kid. I always wanted to test myself somehow and found out about SEALs at age 7 and a little research that I did. Because back then, you could find the end of the internet because it was a library shelf. and when I found out from researching seal teams was that, hey, these guys are some of the most elite fighters in our arsenal. And the training is some of the toughest ever devised by modern military. So at age seven, they had me. I was in and went in in 96, got out in 2016. And when I first got in, we thought we were kind of going to go cross the quarter deck after buds at our first SEAL teams and go do the save the world op and come back in time for beers

and that was not how it was before. We thought we were kind of going to go cross the quarter deck after Buds and our first SEAL teams and go do the save the world op and come back in time for beers.

And that was not how it was before September 11th, but after September 11th, then we started to do those things that we all thought we were going to do when we came in.

So it was a very busy time from September 11th onward.

I haven't seen the stats.

But just anecdotally, it seems like special operators have less PTSD than conventional forces.

It seems to me, but yet you seem to be more active than and with more missions.

And most of you guys, multiple missions in and out, back and forth.

I know it's a big strain of the family.

Yeah. But how do you, do you think that's correct? What do you think? Well, I don't know. It's a different kind of mission. So I have this, the utmost respect for that, let's say 18, 19, 20 year old kid who is

in the middle of the day standing watch on a street in Iraq, watching a car head towards him and maybe it has bad

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