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This is Words Matter with Norm Ornstein. We've got the boats and screwed the rest of you.

And Dr. Kavita Patel. These might be some of the smaller moments, you know, with all of

them shells. Can you catch people's eyes?

Hello and welcome to Words Matter from the DSRnetwork.

Each week, Norm Ornstein and I will talk about the issues facing our country as we come out of

one election cycle and head into another. And boy, Norm, today we have this is it. This is,

I like to think of sports analogies. This is our, you know, leading up into the World Cup finals.

This is our, like, NBA semi-finals. This is, this is like every analogy for, like, the game that is

a foot before the championship showdown in some levels. And what are we talking about? The game

in Washington, D.C., the death ceiling, which is something you and I have been talking about.

I feel like pretty consistently and maybe to the secret of many listeners. But Norm, this is it.

We're here. We actually had some action on the death ceiling from the House. We've already had

Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell saying that they'll keep the Senate to bring him in to work over

...