Yeah, I think we've got it all backwards.

It's one more thing.

Armstrong and Getty.

One more thing.

I don't know if we've ever just played a clip of another podcast on our podcast.

Seems a little weird.

But I came across this.

It was floating around social media.

This author, Abigail Schreier, who's written a bunch of different things, got a lot of attention.

But anyway, this particular aspect, given my dislike of most therapy and my experiences with therapy,

both for me and my family and my kids and the many thousands of dollars spent and how little good it did if not more harm I thought was really really interesting so this is from the Joe Rogan podcast with an author who's written a book about this sort of thing I never really considered that until your book until I heard the title of your book and I read the synopsis of it, I never really

considered it. I never considered that thinking about your problems all the time and talking

about your problems all the time literally make the problems grow. That's right. I mean,

it's the number one symptom of depression is what they call rumination, this pathological obsessing over your pain.

Yeah.

That's why stuff like exercise, that's one of the reasons, aside from chemical reasons,

one of the reasons that doing anything, you know that running errands is good for your mental

health, getting out of your house and accomplishing anything is good for you.

But sitting around talking and thinking about

your problems, that's a bad habit. And the best cognitive behavioral therapists and others,

you know, the dialectical behavioral therapists, the ones who do really well with depression,

the first thing they do is try to break that on that bad pattern. But a lot of therapists just

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