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So I just love the idea of this documentary so much where you actually go to the places along the trail of migration into the west.

Where did you start?

We started in Mauritania and then we went to the Canary Islands, which is a Spanish territory.

But, you know, so to Spain, the Canary Islands.

And we went to mainland Spain to to france and the united kingdom unbelievable

what's mortania for those who don't know mortania is a west african islamic republic and that is the launch

point where a lot of these so-called migrants leave on boat and head to the canary islands they leave

from other countries as well but moritania nowadays is the main launch point. Why Mauritania? It's just a convenient point. They sort of come from all over the Sahal and Maghreb up north, and then from south they'll come from Sierra Leone. They'll come from Senegal and other countries, and they sort of meet there. And it's also geographically situated near the Canary Island, so it's convenient.

And that's where they leave from.

But they also leave from countries like Senegal or, like, I think they leave from Jordan sometimes.

It's kind of crazy, though, that you as an American and your brother also, just two Americans can know exactly how this works.

You're just two ambitious young guys, Right? You don't work for CIA.

Right. That's right. And somehow you know the migrant route and the means of transporting hundreds of thousands, millions of people illegally.

Right. How do you know that? Yeah. Well, we've been studying this for a while. We studied this

very intensively here in the United States. As I said to you earlier off camera, you know, we were the first Americans, as far as I'm aware, I mean, somebody could contact me if this is incorrect, but I'm not aware of anybody else that's done it. We were the first Americans to go from South America, from Ecuador to the U.S. border. And when you look at what's going on in Europe, a lot of the same

organizations are running the show out there as border. And when you look at what's going on in Europe, a lot of

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