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Unexplainable

We don't understand yogurt

Unexplainable

Vox

Science, Natural Sciences, Life Sciences

4.62.4K Ratings

🗓️ 11 June 2025

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

Many physicists dream of coming up with a unified theory of the universe. Rae Robertson-Anderson dreams of understanding ranch dressing, shampoo, and scrambled eggs. Guests: Rae Robertson-Anderson, a physics professor at the University of San Diego. (Find her TikToks at physics_mamma.) For show transcripts, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠vox.com/unxtranscripts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ For more, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠vox.com/unexplainable⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ And please email us! ⁠⁠unexplainable@vox.com⁠⁠ We read every email. Support Unexplainable (and get ad-free episodes) by becoming a Vox Member today: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠vox.com/members⁠⁠⁠ Help us plan for the future of Unexplainable by filling out a brief survey: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠voxmedia.com/survey⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Thank you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

As a kid in school, I learned about four states of matter, solid, liquid, gas, and then plasma.

0:11.0

But recently, I spoke to a physicist named Ray Robertson Anderson, and she told me that there is actually another state of matter out there.

0:22.3

Ranch dressing.

0:24.0

Or shampoo, or scrambled eggs, or snot, or even your eyeballs.

0:29.4

Also toothpaste and yogurt, ketchup.

0:32.6

Anything that you think of, anything that's like squishy or gooey materials that are sometimes somewhat like a

0:39.3

liquid and somewhat like a solid. All of these are part of this extra state of matter. It's something

0:45.6

called soft matter. So soft matter is basically stuff that is more bendy or squishy than a solid,

0:51.6

but more able to hold its shape than a liquid can. And while scientists

0:57.1

figured out some of the rules for solids and liquids centuries ago, like back in the 1600s,

1:02.9

soft matter plays by its own rules. And physicists like Ray are still trying to figure out what those

1:08.8

rules are. All these things all around us, you don't really think about.

1:13.3

They're so complicated and there's so much to understand about them.

1:16.9

You know, a big goal of physics is to come up with like a unified model

1:20.7

to understand how the universe works.

1:24.1

And that's great and that's wonderful.

1:26.6

But like we don't understand yogurt. So like, we don't

1:30.6

understand how these things, you know, for that we encounter every day, like toothpaste and shampoo

1:36.1

and yo, we don't understand really how that works. So like, let's start there and then see if we

1:41.9

can build up to like the unified model of the universe.

1:45.8

So this is unexplainable. I'm Bird Pinkerton. And today on the show, why don't we understand yogurt?

1:52.9

Why is soft matter so hard?

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