"We Didn't Start the Fire" w/ Vincent Bevins
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🗓️ 16 October 2023
⏱️ 78 minutes
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From 2010 to 2020, the world experienced mass protests. Yet, those protests have not brought about more democracy and freedom. Why did these protests lead to the opposite of what they supposedly demanded? In this episode, journalist Vincent Bevins (@Vinncent) joins the podcast to discuss his latest book, If We Burn: The Mass Protest Decade and the Missing Revolution (2023).
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| 0:00.0 | And So, Welcome Vince back to the show. You are an award-winning journalist. That's what it says on |
| 0:37.0 | BIO. And a former reporter for some, you really amazing are well known I should say |
| 0:46.2 | news outlets such as the Financial Times you're also with the LA Times and you talk a lot about that in the book. We can ask you some questions about it. But I think folks might know you from this |
| 0:56.7 | podcast from your previous interview and book on the Jakarta Method. So welcome, |
| 1:02.1 | welcome to the Red Nation Podcast, or welcome back, I should say. |
| 1:05.8 | Yeah, thank you so much for having me back and thanks for having me three years ago. |
| 1:09.4 | It was like a big honor then. |
| 1:10.9 | Three years ago? |
| 1:11.7 | Yeah, yeah, thei method came out in May |
| 1:14.8 | 2020 which I remember quite distinctly because I was trapped in |
| 1:17.8 | South Paula with a pandemic just like ravaging all of Brazil under Bolsonaro so |
| 1:21.6 | I'll never really forget forget those couple of months. |
| 1:24.2 | But yeah, I was really grateful to have you let me talk about it back then. |
| 1:27.3 | And to be back now. |
| 1:28.3 | Yeah, this is an interesting book. |
| 1:30.4 | I mean, it's both, I think, historical and a slow like very current in terms of how it's |
| 1:36.5 | addressing this moment in time I guess like the post at 2010s and you know I guess before we |
| 1:42.2 | jump into some of the the sort of scenes in the book, why don't you just give us an idea of how this book came about and why you wrote it? |
| 1:50.0 | Yeah, I've been, I mean, I've been working on this book full time for four years, but in a larger sense, it's the product of 10 years of me trying to figure out exactly what happened to this hope in social media and mass protests in general, but very specifically what happened to Brazil after this uprising, this popular revolt that was caused by a left anarchist group in June 2013 and that turned out very differently than they or anybody else on the left would have hoped in Brazil, which is where I've lived primarily since |
| 2:24.7 | since 2010. So in the years that followed, and I not only paid close attention what was happening in |
| 2:30.8 | Brazil, the ultimate impeachment of de Marusaf, the imprisonment of Lula, |
| 2:36.6 | the election of Jair Bolsonaro, probably the most extreme right leader elected in the world. |
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