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You can't just say, don't like you as a country. I'm going to bomb you.

You can't do that. It's not the way it is. That's the law of the jungle.

We cannot have chaos. The weak are the ones who suffer the most when there's chaos.

That was my guest on political thinking this week, the influential chair of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee in the House of Commons, Dame Emily Thornberry, Labour MP, former Shadow Foreign Secretary.

One of those who's cheering Kirstama on as he appears to be ready to stand up, a little bit at least, to Donald Trump.

She said many years ago that President Trump was, and I quote,

an asteroid of awfulness.

Dame Emily Thornery, welcome to political thinking.

Thank you. Thank you for having me.

Can I say I was completely wrong to call him an asteroid of awfulness?

Because asteroids only hit the world once.

And do you think he's doing it again and again?

Sorry.

It's okay.

This is the great moment we're in, though, isn't it?

Where people have to choose what they say about Trump.

What they want to say, what they really think, and what they do say.

Do you think we'll look back at this week and think this was Kirstama's love actually moment, the moment he actually found the courage to stand up to the US president?

I don't think that he hasn't stood up to the American president, as you put it, because

of a lack of courage.

I think that a calculation was made that it was in Britain's interests to be close to the

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