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I'm Anouchechekelion and my colleague Stephen Bush and I are delighted to be joined by Gary

Young, the writer of this week's cover story, headlined We Can't Breat breathe about systemic racism.

So we're delighted to be joined by Gary Young, who's written our cover story for this week's new statesman. It looks at the

COVID-19 deaths and also the police brutality playing out in the US to analyze how systemic racism is killing black people.

Gary I understand that you were working on this piece looking at coronavirus's

disproportionate impact on black people and as you were working on the peace the event started

unfolding in the US is that right? Yeah I mean it mutated and as I was just

tend to I guess.

So it started off looking really more specifically at the inequalities in Britain,

COVID, the racial inequalities of infection of death in Britain.

And I had, for that anyway, kind of topped and tailed it with my experiences in New Orleans

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