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Another Day with Ana Marie Cox

We Can Be Heroes (with Susan Neiman)

Another Day with Ana Marie Cox

Ana Marie Cox and Open Mike Eagle

News, Arts, Performing Arts, Business, Society & Culture, Politics

4.66.4K Ratings

🗓️ 7 February 2020

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

In Germany, studying the Holocaust — and the part everyday Germans played in it — is part of the school curriculum. There are memorials to the Jewish lives lost throughout the country, but they do not memorialize Nazis who died. Contrast this with the American South. This week Susan Neiman, author of the book, Learning From the Germans, joins Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) to explain what we can learn from the Germans about regret and repentance. They talk about the inspiration for writing the book, how a museum exhibit helped change German opinion, and why language matters when we talk about monuments on an international scale. These are not normal times and we all have the ability to make change. What should our next steps be? Want to help fight voter suppression? Click here to learn about Fair Fight. Find out more about Susan Neiman’s book here. Thanks to our sponsors: Ritual left out mystery additives, synthetic fillers, and shady extras that can be found in some traditional multivitamins. Their delayed-release no-nausea designed capsule is made to be gentle on an empty stomach—and the mint-essenced tab in every bottle makes taking your vitamins a minty-fresh experience. Go to ritual.com/FRIENDS to get 10% off your first three months. Postage rates have gone up AGAIN. Thankfully, Stamps.com eases the pain with big discounts off Post Office retail rates. Stamps.com is a no-brainer – saving you TIME and MONEY. It’s no wonder over 700,000 small businesses already use Stamps.com. Get a 4-week trial PLUS free postage AND a digital scale without any long-term commitment when you go to Stamps.com, click on the Microphone at the TOP of the homepage and type in FRIENDS.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Anna Marie Cox and welcome to With Friends Like These.

0:10.2

Americans have no problem comprehending the horror of the Holocaust.

0:16.5

Asians say they don't have any problem, but they recognize that it is horrible, right?

0:22.4

In fact, something I learned from the book by our next guest is that the US has more

0:29.2

Holocaust memorials than all of Germany and Poland.

0:34.9

So we see that evil.

0:37.8

I would like you to imagine if Germany had, in addition to maybe its memorials to the

0:44.6

lives of the Holocaust, memorials to the brave German soldiers that fought for Germany,

0:52.6

not necessarily for the bad parts of Germany, but you know, like they were just doing their

0:57.2

country's, you know, fighting for the fatherland.

1:01.0

What if those memorials were all over Germany?

1:03.0

That would be weird.

1:04.0

We would recognize that as weird.

1:06.7

And yet, all over the South, there are these memorials to soldiers that fought to keep

1:18.0

slavery the law of the land.

1:21.4

It is the framework that our next guest brings to history.

1:26.9

She is a philosopher, a Jewish woman from the South who has lived in Berlin for the last

1:33.1

30 years.

1:34.1

Her name is Susan Nieman, and she is the author of Learning from the Germans, Race and the

1:39.5

Memory of Evil.

1:41.6

She joins us from Germany, coming right up.

1:51.1

Susan, welcome to the show.

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