Hello and

Francis Foster.

I'm Constantin Kissin.

and this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

Our brilliant guest today is a contributing editor at City Journal and the host of the podcast

Conversations with Coleman. Coleman Hughes, we've been looking forward to this for a long time.

Welcome to Chigonometry.

Glad to be here.

It's so good to have you on, man.

For anyone who doesn't know who you are, just give us a little brief overview of who you are. How are you

where you are? What is the journey that brings you here talking to us? Well that's a

big question, but yeah, grew up in New Jersey most of you know I was you know always good in

school but mostly into music as a kid briefly went to Juilliard out of high school with the intent of becoming a professional

jazz musician.

But then things changed and priorities changed and I ended up at Columbia doing a degree in philosophy which I finished about a month ago and during my time at Columbia started writing for various online outlets on issues of race and racial inequality,

politics, and other odd issues here and there usually in the American context.

All right, well it's brilliant to have you here.

Your work and your writing has been quite sensational and exceptional and I've been following it

for some time. We all have think but let me let me take us back to

2008 because I remember that moment very well I remember exactly where I was know, it was a Barack Obama gets elected this brilliant

charismatic leader who seems to, you know, assemble a very large coalition.

You know, most of the United States, most of the world is celebrating the fact that you have the first black president and what a president to he's articulate he is intelligent he's capable, he's inspiring.

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