This is the 10% Happier Podcast. I'm Dan Harris.

Hello, everybody, how we doing? Today, we are going back to a subject that I find inexhaustibly

interesting and urgent and a little confusing. Can you get paid and do good? Put another way,

how do you make money without being knocked off the Buddhist path. Can Buddhism and capitalism coexist?

My guest is an old Dharma buddy of mine, David Gellis.

David is a reporter for the New York Times where he's covered business and climate for many years.

He's also written a bunch of books, including one called Mindful Work, which is about how companies are increasingly incorporating meditation into the workplace.

His most recent book is called Dirtbag Billionaire, How Yvonne Schenard built Patagonia,

made a fortune and gave it all away. In this conversation, we talk about how David met

Ivan Shinnard, who's the founder of the brand, Patagonia, what a dirtbag is, the innovative ways in which

Shanard ran his company, including taking care of his employees well, offering robust

maternity, benefits, staying environmentally conscious, and then in the end, as you'll hear,

giving away the business.

We'll talk about the question of whether or not capitalism can be done right, how to talk to your children about capitalism, whether or not capitalism and the Dharma

can coexist, advice how to live well in a capitalist system, and how much time the species

has left before we need to really get our shit together on climate. Before we dive in, just to say,

don't forget to check out what we're doing

over on Dan Harris.com. Paid subscribers now get guided meditations with all of our Monday, Wednesday

episodes. This is a Friday episode, so there's no guided meditation today, but I'm really

psyched about the fact that we're doing them every Monday and Wednesday. Paid subscribers also get

weekly live meditation and Q&A sessions on video.

We do these every Tuesday at 4 Eastern. The next one will feature our teacher of the month,

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